By Patrick Wood, Editor
The inflammatory issue of Barrack Obama’s birth certificate is gathering steam across America: Was he or was he not born in the United States?
If he was born anywhere other than on American soil, then his presidency is invalidated. Why? The Constitution of the United States pointedly requires that the President be a natural born citizen.
Defusing the issue would be easy: Obama could simply provide a legitimate and complete birth certificate proving his birth location. Not only has he stubbornly refused to do so, but he has spent several million dollars in legal fees to thwart various citizen lawsuits that demand proper disclosure.
Obama has also legally cloaked records that could potentially support or discredit his citizenship claims, like school records and transcripts from Harvard and Occidental College. Some investigators suspect that he may have applied for admission as a foreign student.
The pack of critics (called “birthers” by Obama defenders) is getting larger by the day. Lou Dobbs and Rush Limbaugh are both talking about it. WorldNet Daily devoted an entire issue of WhistleBlower Magazine to it. Lawyers have filed dozens of lawsuits. Military officers are challenging potentially illegal orders to be deployed to combat zones overseas. Left-wing organizations are being drawn into vocal opposition, thus stirring the pot even more.
As the battle heats up, the attacks on the “birthers” by their detractors (mostly left-wing) is taking on a familiar pattern. The former are being being ruthlessly ridiculed, scorned and marginalized as the “lunatic fringe.”
So far, neither side has blinked. Neither is willing to give an inch. The battle lines have been drawn.
Herein lies the problem.
Barrack Obama’s approval rating is already dropping like a rock and the public is more sharply polarized than ever.
After just six months in office, Obama has fared worse than even Jimmy Carter in 1976, whose outrageous acts had enraged the American public like none before him. Carter had no chance of serving a second term.
Many Democrats have already pulled away from Obama, fearing that he is a) too far to the left or b) pursuing a narcissistic agenda that leaves them out of the picture.
Obama should have balked during his campaign when supporters and his captive media compared him to the Messiah. Everybody hailed Jesus Christ when he appeared in Jerusalem on Palm Sunday, but less than three days later, they demanded his execution.
Perhaps Obama was convinced by his handlers that nobody would care about this natural born citizen thing. Or, perhaps they convinced him that he could get away with it even if they did care.
What Obama may not know is that these same handlers might soon offer him up as a cheap sacrifice in order to force a Constitutional crisis.
Why? Because it would almost certainly require a Constitutional Convention to straighten out the mess. Every Presidential act would be invalidated. Civil unrest would be rampant. Chaos would reign, and chaos is the desired environment for the powers behind Obama.
With every passing day that the birth issue is not resolved in Obama’s favor, the odds will persistently increase that a Constitutional crisis will soon unfold, and that America will be polarized like never before in history.
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What I find interesting is that this same “conservative” media was silent on this issue when it would have been possible to fix the problem. Now they are grousing about it. Conversely, they lambasted Ron Paul during the campaign, but are trying to make him their media darling now that he poses no direct electoral threat.
I think the Obama citizenship issue is the way that they can kick him to the curb if things don’t go their way or that they can hold over his head if he steps out of line.
I wonder if in fact these handlers have already concluded that he is not going to succeed on a number of fronts and are using Limbaugh and company to stir up the issue. Although it seems to be a more labor intensive route than the approach taken with previous presidents who either stepped out of line or “failed to make the cut”.
First of all, “conservative media”? What planet do you live on? Aside from the conservative talk radio shows, fox news, a handful of magazines and newspapers, what is conservative about ANYTHING in the media?
Second, where have you been looking…the conservative blogs, newspapers, and talk show hosts HAVE been talking about this since BEFORE Obama won his own party’s nomination.
Odd, the “conservative media” that I follow wasn’t silent AT ALL on this issue before thee election. As a person who really WAS born in Hawaii, it particularly irks me to see this wahahe’e kumakaia try to claim it. maybe I should be president, after all, I can produce an actual birth certificate from Hawaii. ma halo
Mr. Morrison, Usually when an entity goes paperless they scan all the relevant documents and then dispose of them. The new obfuscation is that Obama’s birth certificate was destroyed when Hawaii went digital. May I suggest that you acquire a recent copy of yours and send it, redacted, to WND? Surely the Cert. of Live Birth, the simplistic, ridiculous form, is not the only record they would produce. I know it is going out of your way but it would be patriotic and show them how idiotic this ruse is.
Thank you — George Black
Mr. Black,
There is a copy of this birth certificate available as posted on factcheck.org. In addition there were also, several high res. photos taken of this certificate. Both high res photos and online document have been thoroughly examined by a highly qualified digital media forensic examiner who has determined through his analysis report that they are forgeries. For more technical info on his findings, you can find the link & read his report here: http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12993.htm
The only reasonable question remains, why not end the debate and release your birth certificate, college records, passports, etc. I am also curious as to why there was a Congressional vetting process for Mcain, but not for Obama.
I looked at factcheck’s doc. and it’s the same old lame certificate they keep trying to pedal. Look do you own a car? Does it have a signature and a date written on it by the seller and the purchaser? That’s what a “legal” document is suppose to have on it. And on a ‘real’ birth certificate the name of the hospital is on it as well.
What you looked at says, yeah these are the parents, the kids name, and he was born this date or somewhere close to it.….
I’ve been through all that. I think everyone has. I was requesting a citizen of Hawaii get a copy of a recent long form birth certificate to debunk another MSM lie. A simple, straight forward approach to the truth.
Mr. Black,
I believe that yours is a terrific idea!
Though, if I may suggest that Mr. Morrison CC: the copy of his own properly redacted Birth Certificate to WND, the Washington Times and CNN. It was CNN who concocted the misnomer about the alleged destruction of all original records when HI went digital, and the Washington Times has the clout to propel the demand for discovery. And, of course WND has been like a rabid pitbull on this story (thank you J.Farah).
Naturally this is all predicated on the hope that Mr. Morrison is willing to put forth the effort to obtain his own long-form B/C.
There is no question that the persistent questions about BO’s B/C, college entrance doc’s, Bar Association app’s, and prohibited travel to Pakistan in 1981 are not going away. We The People will be heard!
Excellent article. Common sense should tell “anyone” that something is amiss when a person has to spend millions to hide data that is “supposed” to be a confirmation of that persons spoken words.
The socialist Left prefer to attack those seeking proof of these ‘supposed truths’ by spewing insults and lies about them. Very typical of the ‘Left Leaners’ indeed.
It is a sad world when people cannot trust anyone’s ‘word’ anymore. But that is what this world has come to, due to greed, ego and the lust for power that has gripped this nation’s leaders… and the world.
When you trash your Creator and the Ten Commandments, you end up with a free-for-all on what’s right or wrong, true or false, real or imagined, etc.
The chaos has already begun in the hearts and the minds of many of our elected leaders and their brainwashed minions. We need to speak up again and again, while we still can. We must defend our God honoring Constitution at all costs.
Thank goodness for fine, upstanding citizens like Lou Dobbs and Rush Limbaugh. Their reputations for intellectual and impartial reasoning is legend. Together they are leading the vast unwashed majority to the path of righteousness.
The Governor of Hawaii and the director of vital records are most certainly involved in this nefarious plot, as they continue to maintain that Mr. Obama was born in their fair state in 1961. And somewhere in Hawaii is a newspaper publisher who was paid vast sums to produce a well thought out phony birth announcement — – the foresight of this group is amazing, to say the least. Naturally, they all realized that Mr. and Mrs. Obama’s child would find himself in a compromising position when he was elected President some 48 years later, and would need as much cover as possible. Reminds one of the Manchurian Candidate. Who else is out there that needs to be exposed? Perhaps Sarah Palin is really from Russia, and she could see Alaska from her house as a child.
Who said it was the parents that had it printed? How did they go about collecting information like that in 1961?
Seems the name should be d.r. mental.…..
His parents, whoever they were, “plotted” to have him registered as a citizen. Which he wasn’t. (British father, foreign birth, underage mother.)
I have always believed that the proof is in the pudding. I would like to see supporting data to back up what’s written in this article. The author/journalist shouldn’t have any problem citing the source(s). I thought that the birth certificate issue was settled and didn’t think much of it because I (wrongly) assumed the frothing-at-the-mouth conservatives, like Rush, would be in the forefront demanding and getting the truth. Anyhow, if there is merit to anything stated in this article, it would be great to see the citations. Have a nice day.
It hasn’t been settled at all. Carefully read the article about Jon Klein (CNN) from two days ago. He stated earlier that the hospital in HI destroyed the original birth certificate in 2001 when they went digital. This is non-proof. We should take the word of a hospital administrator? And, if they went digital, where is the scan of the original document? Did they lose that too? Lastly, how could we possibly believe that Obama (he’s a lawyer, right?) would not have a copy of his own birth certificate? I have a copy of my own certificate, as does my family and friends. Lastly, the supposed certificate that Obama supporters want to claim is NOT a “certificate of live birth”. There is a difference. Here is the LA Times article.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-cnnobama25-2009jul25,0,3939176.story
Which hospital? That would be a good start…
It’s a “Certification”. Spelling counts. Especially in this case.
There were questions asked and lawsuits filed BEFORE the election and the swearing in but judges delayed and postponed hearings now here we are waiting to expose what could, I say could because there is always the chance everything is legit.
Speaking of sources, your two ignorant errors stand out.
1) The expression is, “The proof of the pudding is in the eating.” No eating been done here yet.
2) What has been offered is a very compromised web image of a “CERTIFICATION”. A much lesser document.
I believe that is why Sotoymore appointment is critical. She would more then likely “decide” that being a natural born citizen is antiquated. That the constitution is a “living document” that needs to be changed to reflect todays mood. With Obama “possibly” being born in Africa (which I believe he was) could be one of the first cases the “new” supreme court would rule on. We know from past decision’s that atleast 4 judges are “liberal” thinkers possibly “globalists” and having Obama as America’s first African born president, that would fit into their “world views” and “globalist agenda”.
If the question is brought to the SCOTUS Sotomayor CANNOT sit on this case she will have to recuse herself…
If SCOTUS Judge Sotomajor would have to recuse herself (as an Obama appointee (and therefore potentially illegitimate), wouldn’t Obama be wise to have her withdraw now, so the balance of the court would not be thrown to the more moderate and conservative members? Something for him to consider!
“Have to” recuse herself? You underestimate her Latina chutzpah.
This is just the tip of a very huge iceberg. Most people don’t know what else is behind this and when they do, everyone will start questioning a lot more.
The question about Obama’s Birth Certificate(BC) includes questions of how the existing BC or what ever it is surfaced. Within this mess are more questions. Of course when more suspicion surfaces, the next round of questions are WHY? Also, WHAT OTHER SUSPICIOUS SITUATIONS EXIST?
While reading about his BC, there is another interesting question addressing that he has mutliple Social Security numbers and questionable names. This will start another round of questions with WHY and WHAT FOR?
How I know the detail about this that isn’t being offered at this time is because I was in a family for more than 26 years who are directly involved in a Federal Criminal system.
Meet the family:
Mexico drug plane used for US ‘rendition’ flights: report — Sep 4, 2008
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5j6QonBKKMo2gw1e3ql-xUcQEZbVg
Please note the CIA link with Rendition flights as well as the 4 TON’s of Cocaine. They started in the later 70’s with laundering drug money into property for CIA run Operations and other criminal activities. Also, in the early-mid 90’s they started up their own Drug Distribution business in Florida by purchasing huge jets. Clyde O’Connor is my ex-sister-in-law’s brother. Clyde and my ex-brother-in-law and myself were at my house while this new business venture was discussed right in front of me. Both my ex-wife’s family and the O’Connor family are involved.
There are other Drug Lords beside the family in Illinois, some are the Midwest’s largest and one with this title is located in McHenry. All have political ties and connections with the CIA. The family often bragged that they are CIA Assets and nothing will touch them even if they commit murder. They are correct on this one as the Mexican bust happened more than a few years ago.
However guess who assisted the family with setting up their new drug business in Florida? Obama while working as an attorney at a lawfirm assisted the family. A well known attorney named Dr. Orly Taits who I’ve had the pleasure of meeting told me that she found more than 130 properties she felt is owned by Obama. She researched this after reading one of my posts that property is used as payment for services done and ownership is washed using Mortgage Fraud schemes.
There is a lot more to this but perhaps for another time.
Marty Didier
Northbrook, IL
What could be clearer? If Obama ever had a legitimate US birth certificate, why hasn’t he shown it to anyone?
In addition to hiding his Kenyan birth certificate, he is also covering up his Indonesian school records (when his name was Barry Sottero), his Harvard records that contain Sutton’s letter of recommendation which Sutton wrote at the urging of a radical black Muslim. Jerry Corsi (World Net Daily) has the details on these “classified” data.
I am worried that a Constitutional Convention could be hi-jacked by the same numbskulls who elected Obama. Wouldn’t we really be in chaos, then?
How many Jeffersons and Madisons are being secreted by the Democratic Party?
Incidentally, d r menti’s sneak attack on Sarah Palin is completely unwarranted and gratuitous rumor mongering. Palin could come out as the candidate of a party with more clout than the present Republican Party.
Hear! Hear!
A legitimate Conservative Party! Did you see “Joe the Plumber’s statement — “Wurzelbacher said he had voted for McCain but without enthusiasm. “In the end, I had to choose the lesser of two evils.
“Does the Republican Party represent anything I stand for right now? Absolutely not,” he said. “Right now the Republican Party doesn’t even know what it stands for.”“ http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE56N65J20090725
The GOP will never purge itself of the RINOs! We need a replacement political party! No organization can stand “for and against amnesty”, “for and against actual border control”, “for and against abortion”, “for and against bailouts”, ad infinitum, and remain viable
Politics abhors a vacuum! The tea parties energy will find a place to go — and it is now unlikely to be the discredited and dysfunctional GOP!
Well, I guess you got me.….‘gratuitous rumor mongering.’ I fully expected all readers to believe that Palin was from Russia.…back to the rumor drawing board.
If she emerges with more clout than, say, Ron Paul, it would be an obvious reflection of the Republican propensity to advance candidates who represent the best and brightest — -a deeper understanding of foreign policy, problematic currency issues, and highly developed skills toward development of a free market based economy. I don’t know why I did not recognize it before — -Palin is well versed in all these arenas, and has written extensive peer reviewed position papers. Send in the clout.
The debate is not about citizenship. That is a red herring. The real debate is about natural born citizenship as required by the US Constitution to qualify for the presidency. Based on the sources used by the Founding Fathers (e.g., de Vattel’s Law of Nations) a natural born citizen is one whose Mother and Father are both citizens of the country and that the individual is born in that country. Absent any of the three the person may very well be a citizen, but the individual is most certainly not a natural born one as required.
The Founding Fathers were brilliant men who used language very precisely to mean what they thought. No where else in the Constitution does this phrase appear meaning that no other position noted in the document specifies this requirement thus there must be some special connotation to it. I believe it means what is described above and, since President Obama’s father was a British/Kenyan citizen and never an American, President Obama is our first (and hopefully last) usurper President. Aside form the affront to the rule of law that this represents, every administrative act or decree he executes is null and void. The longer this goes on the greater the chaos when it is unwound. It is incumbent on Congress or the Courts or both to undo this democrat treachery immediately.
Why is the issue of Obama’s birth certificate a moot point? Some people seem to feel that our Constitution matters, and then the “State-Run Media” seems to feel that the Constitution should be trashed as “old” and outdated. The Constitution states as “Supreme LAW of the land” …
1774 – 1789, the Constitution of the United States of American: Article II Section 1 Clause 5 states,
“NO PERSON, EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, OR A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES AT THE TIME OF THE ADOPTION OF THIS CONSTITUTION, SHALL BE ELIGIBLE TO THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT.” …
Legal definition of a Natural Born Citizen from the …
FIRST CONGRESS. Sess. II CH 4. 1790 (approved March 26, 1790)
…ceedings thereon; and thereupon such person shall be considered as a citizen of the United States. And the children of such persons so naturalized, dwelling within the United States, being under the age of twenty-one years at the time of such naturalization, shall also be considered as citizens of the United States. AND THE CHILDREN OF CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES, that may be BORN beyond sea or out of the limits of the United States shall be considered as NATURAL BORN CITIZENS; PROVIDED THAT THE RIGHT OF CITIZENSHIP SHALL NOT DESCEND TO PERSONS WHOSE FATHERS HAVE NEVER BEEN RESIDENT IN THE UNITED STATES: …
“Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided THE CITIZEN PARENT WAS PHYSICALLY PRESENT IN THE U.S. FOR THE TIME PERIOD REQUIRED BY THE LAW APPLICABLE AT THE TIME OF THE CHILD’S BIRTH FIVE AFTER THE AGE OF FOURTEEN ARE REQUIRED FOR PHYSICAL PRESENCE IN THE U.S. TO TRANSMIT U.S. CITIZENSHIP TO THE CHILD.”… according to the State Department (http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html).
Obama’s father was from Kenya under British colonial rule & his American mother was 18 years old and she did not satisfy the 5 year physical presence residency requirement to pass on US citizenship to Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama. Obama cannot be, as a state of nature, considered a born citizen of the United States, when he was born British. Obama was both a British citizen at birth via The British Nationality Act of 1948, and became an Indonesian citizen nullifying any protections of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution when he was ADOPTED by his step-father. Obama’s sister was born in Indonesia & she has the exact same COLB and is NOT natural born which Obama may not be either. He has gone by the name Barry Soetoro when he attended school in Indonesia, where the Muslim school he attended indicates in his records reveal Barry Soetoro’s citizenship listed as Indonesian – this is a fact. Mr. Obama committed perjury on Supreme Court documents and his bar documents as he stated under oath that he has never gone by another name. The Supreme Law of the Land aka the U.S. Constitution legally requires that to be eligible for the Presidency one must be a natural born citizen and without dual citizenships & Obama does not lawfully meet the requirement & is therefore ineligible for the Presidency regardless whether or not he produces a BC or COLB. In 1961 Hawaii, it was possible to obtain a birth certificate based on the affidavit of a family member. This was a long standing practice in Hawaii. Sun Yat-sen (emperor of china) was able to acquire a Hawaiian birth certificate via affidavit despite being born in China. http://www.scribd.com/doc/9830547/Sun-Yatsen-Certification-of-Live-Birth-in-Hawaii
I have quoted the “Law” and doubt the press will freely publish the legal facts in regards to this matter… so much for freedom of the (sickophantic/sycophantic) press when comments are censored under the guise of being moderated. Be transparent & show us all the documents to include Obama’s long form birth certificate with the name of the hospital and name of the delivery doctor!
A good comment, but please use your real name on this site.
One minor adjustment to what is otherwise an excellent dissertation:
In 1961 Hawaii, a parent could apply for and obtain a “Certificate of Live Birth” (COLB) for their child born outside of Hawaii. However, a COLB is not a legal “Birth Certificate”. The COLB is simply a way of getting the child recorded as a resident person but has little, if any, legal significance. Obama’s purported COLB has been published widely and is often mistaken to be his “Birth Certificate”. However, “Birth Certificates” are only issued to children who were born in the State of Issue. Issuance of either document by the authorities would normally result in publication of a notice in the local newspaper.
The folks at the Hawaii Health Dept. have stated that they have a copy of a Birth Certificate for the President. However, they have carefully avoided claim that it is a Birth Certificate issued by the State of Hawaii. They have also refused to claim that their records indicate Obama was born in Hawaii. They might have a copy of his Kenyan Birth Certificate. Only he and they know.
An often overlooked point is that Obama claimed in one of his books that he had recently “come across” his Birth Certificate. I wonder what he did with it?
It would seem that any right thinking Obama supporter, would at the least at this point, like to know if they elected a true American, but they resort to name calling, or lets talk about Sarah Palin, and yes d.r if you would like to know the little facts we do know about your man you will have to use the Internet as you will learn nothing from the MSM,
Have we slid so far down the road to socialism that asking questions in the USA is mow mocked and criticized, what has happened here, it’s like we are dealing with Obama Zombies, we can only hope we can return to an America that is governed by the people,
What we do know as facts, is Obama has ether sealed or made unavailable,
kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his Columbia thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.
yep sounds like he hasn’t a thing to hide,
God help America
A Constitutional Convention WILL NOT HAPPEN. The citizenry are wise to that trap. Neither will the powers behind the throne “offer up” Obummer because they, too, will be OUT.
I would not put it past Rahm “dead fish” Emanuel to engineer the untimely demise of “The Messiah” and to make it look like some bigoted right winger(s) did it.
They need Obummer only so long as he is useful, and beginning July 2009 (mark my words) Obummer is no longer useful. He overreached like the childish, petulant tyrant he and his entourage are, and thank God jolted the American public into the real world of logical consequences.
With Obummer safely out of the way, “That’s just Joe” would be President. If you think Obummer is easily manipulated, how tough would Biden be? Duh! The talk about an illegitimate Presidency would be over, or so they think. However, that issue will not die even after an Obummer administration would end. It will ALWAYS be an issue until it is resolved due to supreme Court appointments and other lasting actions.
Whether this will see the light of day I sincerely doubt. However, it will “dog” Obummer his entire administration, and when the Republicans take the House and Senate back over, We the People will be hot to correct the course this country has taken over the past 100 years. We need to correct ALL the errors of the Wilson administration from getting rid of the Fed to repealing the 16th and 17th Amendments and last but not least KICKING THE UN OUT OF THE US AND VICE VERSA.
Who are the “powers behind the throne”? And, how will they be removed? Are they not the same powers who are behind the “One World Order”? If so, might it not be easier to remove them and leave obummer standing there in his empty suit. With his “powers” gone, there will be no one to load the teleprompter. He’ll be harmless.
If obummer is removed and the “powers” are allowed to remain, will they not simply continue their scam using Biden in his place? Seems to me the roots of our problems are the “powers” and our congressional leaders. Once the roots are removed, the tree will die and obummer can then be removed with relatively little chaos. Just a thought.
Sooner or later the truth will get out. One of these lawsuits is going to make it to court.
We can only hope. So far, with the collusion of the Repubs, Obama has done a great job of keeping it hidden. The left wing is blowing it for him now though and inadvertantly shining a big spot light on it by rabidly attacking everything in sight. Keep in mind though that in order for anything to happen the entire Congress has to admit that they failed in their responsibility. That is very hard for many of these ego maniacs to do.
TY — Mr. Luna, I wish I knew someone in Hawaii that I could pester to do this.
George
While no one outside Obama himself and possibly a few others can state categorically where he was born, the fact remains the those who believe he was born outside the United States make the far more compelling argument.
On the other hand, those who defend his “American” birth rely on lame arguments and ridicule rather than a close look at the whatever facts are on the table.
Couple a compelling argument with common sense, and yes, we should all demand further proof that he is entitled to be President. Something is beginning to smell and it won’t go away by itself. It will be ruinous to discover this later rather than sooner.
I am no expert but here is a theory. We all have heard about him being born in Kenya because his mother was unable to travel back to bthe U.S. being so late in her pregnancy. Lets say this is true. After the birth the parents and child travel back to Hawaii. From what I have read it was fairly easy to get a Birth Certificate back in those days as many babies were born at home NOT the hospital. Obama’s parents after returning to Hawaii simply go to the proper authorities and explain that the child was born at HOME as many babies in Hawaii were in those days. After the certificate was recorded I am sure this information was then forwarded to the local paper for them to print the announcement. The rub lies with the original birth certificate, as Obama has stated that he was born in a hospital. I believe that there has been conflicting information about what hospital he was even born in. Both Queen’s Medical Center as well as Kapi’olani Hospital have been mentioned. If my theory is correct his original birth certificate will show no hospital at birth thus raising even more questions.
Mr. White, Good one! You should have sent that to Obama in July of ’08 while this was dormant. Presto Chango — problem solved. Now that everyone has their foot in it and he has written letters attesting to his birth hospital things are more difficult. I’m glad you just came up with that one. Maybe he can still use it though. GB
Yes this would be the RUB if indeed the orginal on file shows no hospital at birth. Kinda hard to explain that away when he wrote the letter to Kapi’olani Hospital. Also highly unlikely if not impossible that these records were destroyed. Worst case they were scanned and stored. One needs to find a US Citizen born in Hawaii pre 2001 (when Obama’s birth certificate was allegedly destroyed) and have them request a birth certificate and see what the state sends them.
If the glove fits, we have the Great Imposter nailed.
I was with this author until the part about a convention. First of all, there is nothing a convention could do to “clean up the mess.” An Article V Convention can only propose amendments to our present Constitution. While it could propose an amendment to ensure nothing like this happened again, this is all the power it has in the Constitution. All 50 states have submitted 750 applications for a convention. See http://www.foavc.org to read the texts of the applications. The Constitution mandates a convention call by Congress if 34 states submit 34 applications.
Actually, a Convention can do ANYTHING. It can wipe the Constitution and start with a blank sheet and do a new one. VERRRY Dangerous!
It is NOT constrained by any conditions set in advance by anybody.
BORN IN THE USA?
White House stonewalling on ‘birth letter’
Ignores repeated requests to authenticate Obama message declaring exact hospital
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Posted: July 26, 2009
7:16 pm Eastern
By Joe Kovacs
© 2009 WorldNetDaily
Is it real, or is it fake?
Despite numerous, repeated requests for more than two weeks, the White House is refusing to verify the authenticity of a letter allegedly sent by President Obama in which he ostensibly declares a Honolulu hospital as his birthplace.
Assuming it is determined that BO is not eligible to be President and is removed from office, and assuming that Sotomayor is confirmed and seated and participates in SCOTUS decisions before BO is removed, what would be her fate and what would be the status of the decisions in which she had participated?
Many of us have been shouting this from the hilltops calling so called media outlets long before the elections in fact during the primary. Even I did not support McCain or Obama I supported Alan Keyes I was surprised that McCain did not bring it up after he was hog tied and roped into showing his. The media is lapdog on the fetch a stick for everything the usurper requests. The so called “conservative media” just an arm of the chicken Republicans afraid to be called a racists. Well if you DID NOT WANT TO BE CALLED A RACIST WHY DID YOU NOT SUPPORT ALAN KEYES??? Hypocracy on both sides now Yes we have a constitutional crises.
“Chaos would reign, and chaos is the desired environment for the powers behind Obama.”
Anybody think about that scenario? I too am curious about birth certificate. And, we need to firm up the vetting process going forward. But I also wonder if chaos and crisis is not the desired outcome for Obama. Watch the libs. When they want something, they create a crisis. Then they must “fix” the crisis usually with excess governmental involvement and at a cost of our eroding freedom. Plus if we are occupied with the birth certificate, can we really take full notice of health care, national security, bail-outs, etc? If the birth certificate becomes The Crisis, (social unrest, rioting, etc.) then what might this socialist do? I don’t even want to think about it.
To sleep at night, I do try to remember that our country was build on sound Biblical principles. And “you can’t fool all of the people all of the time.” Finally, as a friend said, “Remember Carter brought us Reagan.”
He would have to call out the armed forces to crush his partisans. Obama would be in for quite a decision. Let the Acorn cadres burn their own homes as is usual, let them move into the suburbs who have armed themselves to the gills since the election (record gun and ammo sales) or knock on the door of the armed forces to quell his own people. Sounds like an Obama crisis to me. He needs to prove himself or go away. If there is civil unrest it is controllable it has happened before.
Obama’s sister was born in Indonesia. She also has a certification of live birth document from Hawaii just like Obama.
How can this be you ask? It’s easy, Hawaii will give you a birth certification even if you weren’t born in Hawaii!!!
That document is WORTHLESS for proving where you were born.
The con man from Chi-town has fooled you idiot libs and the DNC is in on the biggest fraud perpatrated in the history of the world.
TRAITORS.
Inaccurate article. There’s more than location of birth involved. From Free Republic ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2299541/posts ):
There three ways for a person claim citizenship, what most of us think of first is called Jus soli, “the right of the soil,” which is the physical location your place of birth. The second is what is called Jus sanguinis, “the right of blood,” which you inherit from your parents. The third is a combination of Jus soli and Jus sanguinis, and it is this combination that determines if one is a natural born citizen. Since any citizenship under Jus solis is codified by the Fourteenth Amendment, we only find laws for passing citizenship via Jus sanguinis on August 4th, 1961 in the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 (McCarran-Walter Act). This act states that in order for Obama’s right of blood citizenship to be passed to him, that since he only had one parent who was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 14. Barack Hussein Obama, II fails the test for the right to claim “natural born citizen” status.
And to John M., the conservative internet media have been on this, hard, since Obugabe first announced his candidacy. The conservative MainStream (print and broadcast) Media have been very timid and inaccurate throughout. The issues are too big for them to cope with.
Inaccurate article. There’s more than location of birth involved. From Free Republic ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2299541/posts ):
There three ways for a person claim citizenship, what most of us think of first is called Jus soli, “the right of the soil,” which is the physical location your place of birth. The second is what is called Jus sanguinis, “the right of blood,” which you inherit from your parents. The third is a combination of Jus soli and Jus sanguinis, and it is this combination that determines if one is a natural born citizen. Since any citizenship under Jus solis is codified by the Fourteenth Amendment, we only find laws for passing citizenship via Jus sanguinis on August 4th, 1961 in the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 (McCarran-Walter Act). This act states that in order for Obama’s right of blood citizenship to be passed to him, that since he only had one parent who was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 14. Barack Hussein Obama, II fails the test for the right to claim “natural born citizen” status.
And to John M., the conservative internet media have been on this, hard, since Obugabe first announced his candidacy. The conservative MainStream (print and broadcast) Media have been very timid and inaccurate throughout. The issues are too big for them to cope with.
You just nailed it. No one could have explained it any better. Thanks
Good article. The title is justified by the concluding sentences:
“Perhaps Obama was convinced by his handlers that nobody would care about this natural born citizen thing. Or, perhaps they convinced him that he could get away with it even if they did care.
What Obama may not know is that these same handlers might soon offer him up as a cheap sacrifice in order to force a Constitutional crisis.”
The key concept here is ‘handlers’. In general discourse and public perception, most people — quite naturally — attune to the notion that the ‘US President’ is the Man in Charge. It is almost cognitively dissonant to think otherwise. And yet the implication behind the notion of ‘handlers’ is that in fact ‘Presidents’ are part of a larger ‘ruling elite managed’ system, process or paradigm. Furthermore, as is mentioned in another recent article about the Fed and BIS, the momentum right now is towards establishing a more officially sanctioned ‘global world order’ in which people like ‘US Presidents’ will be sort of like State Governors rank-wise, given that nation states in themselves will have increasingly less autonomy, much as US States today.
My personal concern with all this is simple: as populations increase in size, centralization of power is a natural and inevitable process. Fine. However, if history is any guide, the sort of people/groups/networks that thrive on running the show tend to create enormous conflicts, nearly always extremely bloody in nature. Why this is so is perhaps a deep or perhaps a very simple topic. Deep in that it might require delving into volumes of largely hidden history hard to discern through all the persiflage of layered centuries of propaganda from the approved narrators in the political, academic and religious institutional ‘elites’, simple in that perhaps all one needs to understand is that some types of people have certain basic motivational proclivities, i.e. those who aspire to be ‘Top Dogs’ tend to get into strategies and situations that promote conflict in which the goal is to end up on top by putting the adversaries on the bottom, the lowest form of bottom being a violent death.
So although on some level I regard the idea of a ‘new world order’ as a natural outgrowth of established population growth, technology shrinking distance and so forth, on the other I suspect that beyond a potential constitutional crisis — not to mention financial as well happening concurrently no doubt — that we are going to soon revisit the carnage that populations only 2 – 3 generations ago endured. Like ordinary Russians during the bankster-funded ‘Bolshevik’ revolution, like millions of Germans in Eastern Europe raped and eviscerated in their millions, like 20%+ of the Iraqi population recently being killed or displaced, and of course there are many more previous and recent examples of massive loss of life and/or major displacements of populations and established societal norms.
Because these guys/networks that strive for ‘control’ mainly do so by engendering violence and chaos. It seems almost like a scientific law that should be better analysed and defined somehow.
PS. You put out really good stuff!
Here’s the (almost) last word. Jason Hommel, editor of the Silver Stock Report, is offering a $100,000 reward to the first person who can PROVE that Barrack Obama is a natural born citizen. So, if you think you have the proof, convince him and collect pot of money!!!
“I, Jason Hommel, promise that I will give $100,000 to the first person who can prove to my satisfaction that Barrack Obama, acting as president of the United States, is a “natural born” citizen of the USA, which is a qualification to hold the office as indicated in the U.S. Constitution. ”
http://silverstockreport.com/2009/obama-reward.html
Spread the word…
I suppose some O-believers might consider that you would never admit to being satisfied. Perhaps you should insert a specific reference to jus soli and jus sanguinis.
You do understand that O-believers are intellectually challenged? If you did insert your reference you would first loose them, second you would be labeled as a racist not that it should matter as a common retort of these cultus dicipli is destroy the messenger degradation in hope to kill the message without one plausible argument because any since says they have none.